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I am very frustrated with the repayment of my college loans. I have been paying for 9 or 10 years and have only knocked about $5000 off of The principle. When I first started making payments it was costing me about $600 a month so i consolidated at an interest rate of 8.25%. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on a way to refinance to get a lower interest rate.
So far I was told you can't refinance college loans and I find it crazy that you can refinance a mortgage but not a college loan.

Should have stayed at the State School instead of transfering to the more expensive liberal arts school so I could play football.
 

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the federal loan programs will not allow you to re-finance your federal consolidation. if you choose to use a private loan to do your refinancing (home equity, credit cards, etc..), you will lose your federal benefits which include deferment, forebearance, and forgiveness (in certain situations).

best bet is to hold tight until we have a new presidential administration and allow them to address higher education. Give it two more years and you should see at the very least some talk about change.
 

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About a year ago, Newt Gingrich did a special on the state of university education and the skyrocketing costs associated with it, which btw was largely due to GOVERNMENT subsidies. (I know, shocker!)

His conclusion: unless you're planning on choosing a vocation that requires higher education, forget it -- university doesn't pay.

Most kids who don't know what the hell they want to do still opt for post-secondary education because of peer and family pressures. I mean, let's face it, college is a boatload of fun!

The truth is, if you can find a job paying 30-35K a year coming out of high school, in ten years you'll be way ahead of your peers who are in debt up to their eyeballs -- especially if you can stay out of trouble and decide to live at home for a few extra years and invest your earnings wisely.

Most kids are far better off attending a cheap community college rather than making their parents mortgage their home for their education.

I know every parent wants nothing but the best for their child, but c'mon, the phony standards society has set these days are ridiculous.

Moreover, I am convinced just about every liberal arts school can easily transform an otherwise rational mind into an irrational one because of the utopian leftist values many of these schools try to instill. Values that have absolutely no practical application in the real world, emotionally, spiritually, economically, how we related to our fellow man etc.

No surprise, really, the more years a kid spends in a liberal arts school, the more left of center his/her political beliefs are likely to be.

Take, for example, women. Ask a normal school-aged girl if she'd rather be a mom or have a career, most will answer the former, not the later. Ditto for any girl attending high school -- marriage and having children is still a high priority.

But by the time a woman reaches her senior years in university we begin to notice some disturbing trends in her thinking because the feminazi liberal values she is taught -- maternal instincts are primitive and a burden, for example -- begin to take root in her overall psychological and emotional makeup.

(The best way to convert a woman from a liberal Democrat into a conservative Republican is to make sure she gets married and pumps out lots of kids. :103631605)

The same applies to our religious instincts and spiritual dimensions -- they too are suppressed. After all, why bother with a concept as archaic as "God" when "the age of reason" can provide all the answers? :ohno:

While these modern secular values may appear intellectually satisfying on the surface, the reality is, in most cases they leave the majority wanting on a emotionally deeper, more personally level.

Humans, after all, are not robots. They are living, breathing, thinking beings.

The fact is, the best values, ideas and principles are the ones your Uncle Charlie taught you -- common sense wholesome values...CONSERVATIVE values...AMERICAN values, both micro and on the macro.

The further we distance ourselves from many of these modern materialistic institutionalized corrosive liberal ideas, many of which have been proven so, so wrong -- including the myth that higher education makes a man, healthier, happier, wealthier and wiser -- the more the American dream will flourish.

Liberal secular humanism blows.
 

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Joe, without college you are somewhat setting limits on your future - it would be very hard to move up in a corporate setting without having a degree - but if you want to do you own thing - college is really irrelevant - I went 5 years to college and 3 years to law school (I don't practice) - I could have started buying distressed properties 17 years ago and owned half of Miami by now
 

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Thanks I will check out the site. I feel that we need more classes in high school explaining everyday life(business Classes) about money, balancing check books, the slavery of owning credit card debt. I did not understand money when I was in college. When I left East Stroudsburg University and a partial football scholarship I was paying about $4000 a year and went to Ursinus College to pay $27,000 I thought no big deal I will pay off the loans in a few years since I will be making $32,000 a year as a teacher. I did not realize that about 30% went to taxes.
 

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Thanks I will check out the site. I feel that we need more classes in high school explaining everyday life(business Classes) about money, balancing check books, the slavery of owning credit card debt. I did not understand money when I was in college. When I left East Stroudsburg University and a partial football scholarship I was paying about $4000 a year and went to Ursinus College to pay $27,000 I thought no big deal I will pay off the loans in a few years since I will be making $32,000 a year as a teacher. I did not realize that about 30% went to taxes.

30%? shshshsh - don't let Barry know
 

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Joe, without college you are somewhat setting limits on your future - it would be very hard to move up in a corporate setting without having a degree - but if you want to do you own thing - college is really irrelevant - I went 5 years to college and 3 years to law school (I don't practice) - I could have started buying distressed properties 17 years ago and owned half of Miami by now

How is no college setting limits on your future? Bill Gates? How about all of your local blue collar business owners? The liberal mantra wants you to think you are boxed into a corner, but that isn't very open minded thinking.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 12:00AM
In 2006, Emily Johnsen, a college student in New York, was hospitalized for stress just a few months shy of graduation. "It was the stress of putting together my master's thesis, and my financial situation -- knowing I was entering repayment for my loans," she says.

High Anxiety

Over six years of undergraduate and graduate education, Johnsen had taken out $140,000 in student loans, which her grandmother co-signed against her mother's wishes. After Johnsen earned her master's degree from a prestigious arts program at New York University, she assumed she'd make the median salary cited by the school's financial aid counselor -- $65,000. Instead, she couldn't find a position in her field paying more than $30,000.

Johnsen, 26, has both federal and private loans. She put them on forbearance twice, and has now exhausted all the forbearance offered during the life of the obligation. "The interest is capitalized at the end of each forbearance period, so at the end of two years there was an additional $20,000 to $30,000 on top of the loans I took out," she says.

Johnsen recently started a new job as a media assistant at a New York art gallery that pays $35,000 -- or just over $1,800 a month after taxes. On Sept. 1, she begins a 15- to 20-year repayment plan. For the first two years, her payment is $527 a month. "Then it increases to 900-something," she says. "By that time I'm hoping to be able to further myself with the company." She still takes medication for anxiety and depression.

A Subprime Education

It's time to banish the notion that all student loans are "good" debt. These products unquestionably offer the opportunity to boost one's career -- college grads make 60 percent more than those with only a high school diploma. But the changing nature of the private student loan industry -- which in recent years doled out dollars with the enthusiasm of subprime mortgage lenders -- makes it critical for students to assess the risk, and borrow with a realistic idea of future earnings potential. In fact, these loans are worse than subprime mortgages, because they can haunt the borrower for life.

During the 1990s, average student loan debt doubled. Two-thirds of graduates now leave school in the red, with average borrowing of $21,000, according to the Project on Student Debt. Ten percent of graduates from four-year, private, nonprofit institutions had debt of $40,000 or more.

Private loans, which typically carry higher interest rates than federal loans, have grown at an average annual rate of 27 percent in inflation-adjusted dollars since 2000-2001, according to the College Board. Private loans comprised about one-quarter of the student loans made in 2006-2007 -- up from 6 percent a decade earlier.

Risky Business

"Federal loans offer fixed, low-interest rates and a lot of borrower protections in repayment," says Lauren Asher, associate director of the Project on Student Debt. "Private loans have limited consumer protections and variable interest rates that can go very high. It's a little like going to a payday lender -- you're paying a huge amount to get cash, and that can follow you through your whole life. They can be even more risky than credit cards, because private student loans can't be discharged in bankruptcy."

Some 54 percent of students polled in 2004 said they would have borrowed less if they had to do it again -- up from 31 percent in 1991, according to the Project on Student Debt.

While Johnsen is an extreme example, consider what happens to the 10 percent of students who leave four-year private institutions with $40,000 in loans. Let's say the graduate earns the 2006 median income of $46,435 a year -- or $3,382 per month after taxes. I asked Mark Kantrowitz, founder of FinAid, a college information website, to create a few scenarios contrasting public and private loans, paid back over different periods of time.

By the Numbers

The borrower who repays his loans over 10 years will face a monthly bill of $460 to $551, or 13.6 to 16.3 percent of his income. (See the tables below.) The borrower who repays over 25 years will pay $278 to $392 a month, or 8.2 to 11.6 percent of his income. The private-loan borrower who pays back his debt over 25 years will pay nearly twice the amount of the loan in interest.

All Public Loans,
6.8% Interest Rate Monthly Payment % of Take-Home Pay Total Interest Paid
10-year Repayment $460 13.6 $15,239
25-year Repayment $278 8.2 $43,288


All Private Loans,
11% Interest Rate Monthly Payment % of Take-Home Pay Total Interest Paid
10-year Repayment $551 16.3 $26,120
25-year Repayment $392 11.6 $77,608


Note: The federal Stafford loan has a 10-year repayment, but the term can increase to 12 to 30 years if the borrower consolidates and chooses extended repayment. Private student loans tend to have 20- to 25-year terms.

"Ten to 15 percent of income is typically considered affordable," Kantrowitz wrote me in an email. "So $40,000 in debt is within the range of affordability, although one would probably need a 20-year term on a private loan to make it affordable. But do you really want to still be repaying your own education debt when your children are about to enroll in college?"

A Nasty Business

In his recent book "Spend 'til the End : The Revolutionary Guide to Raising Your Living Standard--Today and When You Retire," Boston University economist Laurence Kotlikoff demonstrates that over a lifetime of earnings, a plumber actually ends up with a higher standard of living than a doctor, in part because of the debt used to finance the physician's education.

"The College Board promises you certain median earnings -- which should allow you to pay [loans] over time. But half the people will earn less, because that's the definition of median," Kotlikoff says, adding that the government will garnish the Social Security benefits of borrowers who don't repay federal student loans. "This is like debtor's prison for people. I dearly love higher education, but this is nasty business."

Congress recently addressed some of these issues with new rules that make repayment more manageable. (See my colleague Anya Kamenetz's column and IBRinfo for the details.) And borrowing is expected to decline amid the credit crunch, as private lenders pull back from the student loan market.

Get Smart About Financing

Don't let the extremes of borrowing daunt your educational plans. At in-state, four-year public institutions, tuition, room, and board averaged $13,589 in the 2007-2008 school year, according to the College Board. And the average full-time student at such an institution receives about $3,600 in grants and tax benefits, reducing the cost further.

A good rule of thumb is to not borrow more than your expected starting salary for all four years of your education, says Kantrowitz. "If you borrow less than your starting salary, you should be able to repay the debt in 10 years," he wrote me in an email. "If you borrow more, you'll probably need extended repayment in order to afford the monthly payments. If you borrow more than twice your expected starting salary, you are at very high risk of default."

And if you're a parent, start saving early. Someone with a two-year-old who wants to save half the cost for an in-state, four-year public university should put $171 a month in a 529 college savings plan. That's less than $6 a day. (My calculation uses the $13,589 figure, and assumes an average annual return of 7 percent and college inflation of 5 percent a year. Crunch your own numbers on this savings calculator.)

Go, State!

Moreover, give serious consideration to financial offers from a state school, especially if you plan to attend graduate school. Johnsen racked up $30,000 in undergraduate loans attending a private liberal arts school in the Midwest, even though she could've gone to a public college for free in her home state, based on her 4.2 grade point average.

"I was adamant that I needed to experience something different and get out of state," she says. "When I was an undergrad, I was thinking I have plenty of time; that I didn't have to think about [debt] until I graduated and was out in the world."

Johnsen recently cut her rent in half by moving to Brooklyn with a roommate, but won't consider a higher-paying position outside her industry. "I couldn't handle the idea of not even using the degree I had spent so much money for," she says. "If I could go back, I would have graduated and found a company that would help me pay for a master's degree. The education I received and the connections to art world through [internship] experiences were fantastic. But I'm going to be paying for it for some time."

http://finance.yahoo.com/expert/article/moneyhappy/100520
 

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College isn't even worth it for brainwashed liberal brats like that who feel entitled to it all.
 

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And just think, Obama wants the government to pay for it all. :pucking:

Most of the ivy league schools suck.

Like I said, if you're going to go to college, one of the best alternatives is a cheap local community college.

You'll never get rich if you spend a good portion of your life exposing yourself to mind-numbing theory.

I wish the federal government would just pull the plug.

Ann Coulter calls them our "liberal madrassas."
 

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yeah student loans i hear are alot harder to get rid of....

than say housing or credit card debt which is easier to walk away from...and is being done in hoards right now

i know alot of people with insane school debt and with the economy turning south might get harder and harder to make payments due to shit job market

students just starting college or just getting outta college taking on lotsa debt to do it in a bad spot

especially if they aren't getting an advanced degree in say engineering vs. business..

paying 40k a year for a business degree and going into debt to do it as well....you might as well flush money down the drain instead
 

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just the younger generation getting the shaft again since they are the minority and don't vote as much

baby boomers can refy their homes or walk away and just have shit credit and government continously trying to prop up housing bubbles with housing bills and such

while with student loans you can't get refy and they can garish wages straight from you paycheck
 
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